Sky Burials. Two of the religion's holy sites are located within de-jure Lithuania (with another site close by), making it one of the easier pagan religion to reform. Enatic law is enforced, open succession law is unlocked. Rulers can order subject to Take the Vows. By choosing to reform your pagan religion, you will lose all the old advantages such as attrition for enemies and subjugation wars, but gain all the bonuses of a civilized nation. Because raiding counts as war, and they have county conquest casus belli that require no reason for war, however, few rulers need find themselves short on wars for long. Playing as a Pagan non-nomad offers a highly offensive, rapidly changing play-style. Eternal Raiders will take away bonus for levy and light cavalry and give us 10% bonus attack for all our troops, don't know if its fair exchange, I will do maths later, and as I said polygamy just sucks and is a prestige drain, on top of that now tribals with polygamy mechanic (muslims and reformed pagans with polygamy) will use wife mechanics instead of concubines. Access to Hermetic society (but Hermetics still suffer -10 temple opinion). Ancestor Veneration A for Power, A for Fun, Bloodthirsty Gods B- For Power, A for Fun, Stability/Children of Perun (Slavic)/Survivor of Ukko (Suomenusko). For hellenic rome, warmongering, unrelenting, civilized and im not sure about the last one since the pontifex maximus was not very strong in his authority, having powers like fixing the calendar. I asked how to reform Tengri in a thread a couple of days ago, as I am playing a nomad run right now and I have to say, some things don't really make sense to me. Infidel tax is a nice flat bonus to income, I dont think it deserves lowest tier. There is a trait that gives u another +5 same religion opinion. If the last two holy sites are difficult to reach, the best way to obtain the necessary moral authority is through county conquests and raids. Prisoners of different religions can be sacrificed for Piety. Harmonious expands our pool of talent but makes it harder to stack bloodlines due to disallowed cousin incest. In game terms, all pagan religions fall into one of two broad groups, with a few exceptions - the offensively-oriented Germanic, Hellenic (Greco-Roman), Tengri and Aztec faiths, and the defensively-oriented Romuva (Baltic), Slavic, Suomenusko (Finnish), African, and Bn (Tibetan) faiths. (Especially after mass conversions.). To even start thinking about CK2s Pagan Reformation, you will first need to conquer three of the holy sites of your religion. However, stability is very low, and you have little control over your realm. Hinduism is solid with the early Holy Order, morale buff, patron deities and raiding but they lack any inheritance/realm management perks. Right now before I will be able to even convert rest of my provinces, they already do it.*. It is important to quickly convert vassals who still follow the old faith due to the large opinion penalty. +1 piety per month while at peace. Rulers can order subject to Take the Vows, disqualifying them from succession. Best one in the loser tier. I agree with most of what you said but I would put the Civilised doctrine as tier 1. This gives me some new options to consider. Reformer becomes the first religious head, PDXCON Sorry for the confusion. Meritocracy is just delayed open succession after we get to Primogeniture law. AI rulers are less likely to start wars, plots and factions. I've had games where several centuries have gone by and literally only one or two guys have been made Venerated Ancestors and they're usually some random idiot. For example, players who seek to reduce internal conflicts in their country, but still want to expand their boundaries, could use the following culture/religion/doctrine combination: Altaic culture, Tengri, Peaceful, Stability, Equality, Autonomous. These doctrines can be picked no matter the reformer's religion. Both my character and Christianity are based. It is really painful to expand with CBs at our disposal as Peaceful religion. When you choose to play as a pagan ruler in CK2, you accept that there might be some problems (succession, levies, conversions) along the way that come with the advantages. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The last playable Slavic ruler is Chief Testislaw of Dyrmin. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion or morale bonus from Animistic doctrine in the first doctrine slot, it is lost. The Zunists are unique in that they are somewhat of a hybrid of the Offensive and Defensive; generic Paganism grants no bonuses. Hellenic paganism was the faith of the Greco-Roman world before the rise of Christianity. Market-Socialist-National-Authoritarian-Social-Paternal-Liberal-Conservative-Radical-Centrist-Anarcho-Monarchism is the best ideology. I like Buddhism because the combination of concubinage and heir-nomination means you can end up with an unbroken line of Strong Genius rulers if you play the genetics game well, but unfortunately they're lousy at expansion. It has synergy with Agnatic and Enatic doctries, giving us new CB for Patriarchal and Matriarchal depositions. Intermarry Eastern group, Zoroastrian group. Tax on subjects of different religious groups is allowed. I will explain at the end of paragraph. However, other rulers will have a choice. So if you like seeing dukes in the middle of other kingdoms take distant kingdoms and break out of their vassal king resulting in non stop dejure wars and infighting, then sure prepared invasions are for you (masochist). It has a synergy with incest doctrine making us high god of our religion. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Synergies, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/holy-fury-reformation-doctrine-list.1115209/. Interfaith marriage is unavailable. Ancestor Worship. A pagan start that allows to make a kingdom and to reform faith in the shortest time, preferably, before the first succession and loss of titles. Bloodthirsty Gods is really useful once you get that bloodline that gives you prestige and piety for each sacrifice. What, in your opinion, is the best handgun? It may not display this or other websites correctly. Priests cannot inherit. While a casual player might not notice, an intermediate player probably will. The only realm following this faith is the Zunbil Satrapy in western Afghanistan. Community Patch with Improved Genetics 2.0 and Other Mods, Pagan Ancestor and Sea King Bloodline Changes, https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Bloodline#Ancestor_Veneration_Bloodlines. Possibility for a woman to take consorts is disallowed even if other traits should unlock it. I'd suggest backing up a copy of your save game at the point where you can reform the religion and then trying a few combinations. Before patch 3.0, Hellenic paganism also fell into this category. Crusader Kings is a historical grand strategy / RPG video game series for PC, Mac, Linux, PlayStation 5 & Xbox Series X|S developed & published by Paradox Interactive. This is just a bonus I found by accident. Proselytizing is a must pick if you have a lot of land with conversion resistant heathens, since AI rarely bothers converting them otherwise. This faith is exceptionally limited - it has all the disadvantages of unreformed paganism and none of the benefits, nor can it be reformed. Information, Frequently Asked Hierocratic and Autocephalous is a good way when we don't want to bother much with religious head but want to have high MA. You trade some of your offensive/defensive capability for stability, faster conversion, and Great Holy Wars to combat Crusades and Jihads. Unyielding is a must for small Pagan surrounded by powerful Abrahamic realms. Also unrelenting is heavily underrated. Holy Fury Pagan Reformation Tier List & Discussion, Holy Ghost Spirit isnt being talked about enough, Both my character and Christianity are based. Penalty to moral authority (-15%) and to mission. Ancestor Worship decision available. All Offensive pagans also gain a +30% bonus to their levy sizes, making up for likely lower technology and smaller fort holdings. Old religion followers will be heretics with a -25 penalty to relations to members of the reformed faith. Certain reformation doctrines allow Open succession or Eldership as well. PegaluxX. No female temple holders. The homeland attrition penalty does apply to reformed pagans of another faith, but the "old faith" heresies have no such protection against the reformed churches of their specific branch of paganism. Pretty useless outside india but with gavelkind sucession you can have a demesene of twenty counties. It basically removes any fear of a succession crisis ever again, and Enatic gets the slight edge by basically giving you a free subjugation/crusade option on pretty much any leader in the game due to the rarity of female rulers in general. All defensive pagans have access to Ancestor Worship & Choose Patron deity decision. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igw2ec-Lp6c, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZVIEA1cbSo, UNITED STATES - The Cathar United States of Byzantium and Carpathia, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/regional-livonian-mod.849150/. The other side of the coin is that peace is seen as unbecoming. Raiding unavailable if culture doesn't allow raiding. Holding the Blood Games in the Grand Amphitheater grants an additional 200 Prestige. This is in addition to the pagan homeland attrition penalty, which forces the large numbers of troops needed to invade a defensive pagan home territory to face severe attrition for the duration of any siege. By PegaluxX, January 4, 2019 in Crusader Kings 2. Table View Card View Incompatible with Agnatic Clans, Harmonious, Equality, Polygamy and Meritocracy doctrines. The other four are all in or near Afghanistan, making reformation possible. With the exception of the reformed Germanic religion, the faith will also immediately gain a holy order. 1. I think Polygamy would be powerful. Marry 4 women with good traits, then pick the best kid that pops out. And the Indian religions. AI rulers are less likely to start wars, plots and factions. I hope this tier list/guide was useful for you here reading this, despite its huge length. Suomenusko, religion of the Finno-Ugric people stretches from the Baltic Sea to Siberia. Lastly, pagans may, by decision, convert to the religion of a spouse or concubine of a different faith. By "exploiting mechanics" I don't mean using exploits, I meant taking mechanics to the extreme. Eastern Orthodoxy, Miaphysite Christianity, Allows sacrifice of thralls captured in raids, Allows sacrifice of courtiers to read entrails, Once per decade interpretation of stars by religious head or court chaplain if none exists, Education improvement synergy and Meliorism improvement synergy. You must log in or register to reply here. No female temple holders. Interactive corporate website, Monthly prestige +0.05, diplomacy +1, fertility +10%, Build cost -5%, build time -5%, intrigue +2, Local build time modifier -10%, local build cost modifier -10%, National tax modifier +2%, stewardship +1, Fort level +0.40, technology spread rate +15%, National revolt risk -5%, disease resistance +5%, Monthly prestige +0.03, learning +1, personal combat skill +5. With Holy Fury, each pagan faith (except Aztecs) has an associated Warrior Lodge, a society focused on combat. So I decided to update my list after I played some Holy Fury. The Short Reign relations modifier is three times more severe for pagans. Can't agree with stability doctrine, tech and artifacts lower short reign penalty so it is not worth to take it, and as I said from my experience it is easy to overcome. Certain pagans have access to additional succession laws. "Defensive" pagans gain a defensive bonus to their garrisons, forcing larger invasion forces to take their home territories. Ancestor Worship decision available. Because of this, it is usually strategically advisable to hold off on reforming your religion until your realm is at a multiple-kingdom level, and to make sure to exploit any subjugation or county conquest CBs against nearby easy target pagans before reforming your religion. Women can take up to 3 consorts. Great Holy War against a single disfigured child. Romuva does not disappear from the world at any starting date, but will eventually be pushed back by Christians. Unlocks Raiding if unavailable (eg Hellenic). I used it in my game Tengri Horde Jurchen Reformed Bon Chinese Empire and just dominated silk road. 867 enatic bloodline,African religion for consorts, cosmopolitan for husbands, syncretic to remove penalties, divine marriage so you can seduce and cosort acquire bloodlines, autonomous for a floating Dynasty opinion, fertility, or another +10 religion modifier. For feudal pagans, reforming makes it possible to raise crown authority to any level. Eldership succession law is allowed. I prefer proselytizing to warmongering, just so I can paint the map in Hellenic pink. AI rulers only convert same-group provinces and only when zealous. Such penalties usually function to prevent any rival faith from taking their lands in spite of being relatively weak and of a rival faith that normally could be easily holy warred. Bn rulers are playable with either Jade Dragon, The Old Gods, or Holy Fury. To debate theology, go elsewhere. I have received few private messages and some even answered to the thread when the post was very old. Strangely there are no upsides to Shia or Ibadi. Its holy sites are scattered around the map but are mostly controlled by right religion, even in 1066 starting date. Uuugghhh. Allows building the Sacrificial Altar feature of Great Temple, Great Stone Circle, Aztec Pyramid and Stonehenge, as well as the Grand Amphitheater. Late to the party but I like this one; for the purpose of acquiring bloodlines. Hellenic Paganism : A. The last playable Germanic ruler available is Arnfast of Vsterbotten, who dies in 1309. These three are weird. Cannot create Warrior Lodge if it does not already exist. My personal experience with Venerated Ancestors has been extremely inconsistent. Additionally, Unyielding is a bit of a jack of all trades if you want to blob, Proselyting is better for converting provinces. The only cb you'll ever need is alexanders invasion. Also offsets short reign. Women can take up to 3 consorts. 100% objectively correct scientific analysis of the civilized/barbaric nature of every religion and heresy's gameplay features in CK2. Germanic rulers lose their retinue size bonus and now get penalties for raised levies like other rulers. I have the piety, holy sites, and MA to reform, but would like advice on the "best" options for reformation. but i'm talking about game mechanics here, compared to Catholicism, Orthodoxy in-game has nothing unique really, hell, it didn't even have it's own Holy Order till recently. Having a hard time picking between prepared invasions and Meritocracy, either epic land grabs, or being able to designate best heir.. Ruler can spend 500 Prestige and 150 Piety to increase courtier or own attribute. Peacefull is OK, but greatly reduces your ability to expand. As for best leadership, it depends. AI rulers will try to convert their provinces. However, there are always playable rulers and provinces for this particular religion in Africa. Those who stick with the old ways are considered heretics by the reformed faith, and may be targeted by holy wars. Nature: Unyielding sounds good on paper, but if you plan on having a large realm I'm not sure it's great because it takes a long time for counties to change to your religion. I think these are well balanced. As I said in OP, if you are Roman Emperor you cannot designate heir for your top tittle. Unlocks Raiding if unavailable (e.g. The likelihood of getting a Venerated Ancestor is also somewhat dependent on what other doctrines you've taken - some combinations make getting a Venerated Ancestor extremely unlikely. Raiding unavailable if culture doesnt allow raiding. All rights reserved. Disallow avuncular marriage and cousin marriage. Inversely, it is much easier for organized religions to convert pagans. Civilised is closer to tier 3 than tier 1, if we pick this doctrine as Roman Emperor we will never use its full potential as we are locked in Imperial Elective succession. Except if you have founded bloodines with male rulers already. 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